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There's a bit of controversy going on between the NCAA and the University of North Dakota over the school's mascot, the Fighting Sioux. Readers had strong responses to CNN's story.
School will continue using Fighting Sioux nickname
Many of our commenters were supportive of the name, citing the Fighting Irish as an example of another use of cultural stereotype.
bronson2010: "This is ridiculous. The political correctness that has overtaken this country astounds me. What about the University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Is that offensive? Perhaps to the Irish. I'm Irish and I support North Dakota with my heart and soul, even though when you think about it, this may be considered offensive since the Irish were stereotypically known for getting drunk and fighting. Time to grow a skin people. Or did I offend you?"
This former student says the name is OK. Several commenters said the use of the name Fighting Sioux is a compliment to the Native Americans in the area.
PhiDelt: "As a former student of the University of North Dakota, I am happy they are fighting to keep this name. It is a long and storied tradition at UND, and it does honor the Sioux of that area."
A few commenters said the word "Sioux" is not an actual name for the tribe.
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N8iveThought: "What people don't understand is Sioux is not a Lakota, Nakota, or Dakota word. It is French for enemy/snake. It's insulting because it's not a name we call ourselves. I'm Oglala Lakota not Oglala Sioux. There is a difference there and we natives are the only ones who know it. It's like calling every white person in the United States French or jew or whatever may have it. Also there are many tribes that were called Sioux. There are seven tribes in South Dakota alone that have been label Sioux. Which in turn are really not. We have the Cheyenne River, which consists of four bands (Itazico, O'ohenunpa, Minnecojou, and Si hasapa), Oglala, Sicungu, Yankton, Lower Brule, Sisseton Wahpeton, etc. Not to mention the tribes in Minnesota, North Dakota and Montana. So I think they'd have to get permission from all tribes to actually use the insulting name in question."
Some also mentioned the Minnesota Vikings.
PaxLoki: "Some of my ancestors were Norsemen. Have been a fan of the Minnesota Vikings for over 40 years. It has been a very bad year, however I will stick with them."
One commenter suggested there might be some grievances involved.
JackK1: "This was their land until they got pwned (owned) by the Europeans. They see all the wealth of the land and under the land as rightfully theirs, and they won't be happy until everyone else goes back to where they came from."
Some said Native American name usage depends.
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yruymihunose: "I do not see this name as offensive but when will Washington Redskins change their name? Do you think they would have changed it by now had it been the Washington Darkies or Whities? I am part Cherokee and I see no issue using braves, warriors, etc. Perception can be a bear. Hey, that would be a good name ... Fighting Perception."
This conversation was a debate over the use of the word "Indian."
GiveUsFree69: This is just plain wrong ... have some respect for the Indians."
hingedlwnb: "The real Indians live in places like Mumbai and Dehli and places like that. Native Americans were incorrectly identified as 'Indians' because Columbus thought he reached India when he made landfall."
Some mentioned the use of Native American names in Illinois.
AndyDufrense: "Just like every other team with Indian related names, most were used to honor Native American warriors. a good example is the Chicago Blackhawks. While also having the most beautiful logo in all of sports, (the team) chose the name to honor Chief Black Hawk, a prominent figure in illinois history."
Some wondered if it is all about money.
cesarchavez: "Just like Americans, we don't understand something so it must not make sense and it must be ridiculed. Personally, I don't understand why the Sioux would have a problem with 'Fighting Sioux' either, but you know what, it's their prerogative. Who are we to say what they should and shouldn't have a right to protest? Is anyone even talking about the fact that UND doesn't share a dime of what they make on merchandising with the tribe? I guess it's OK to make money off their name but refuse to share the proceeds with them. And if Irish people have a problem with the 'Fighting Irish,' then let them speak up. Otherwise, it's silly to compare the two. The same goes for any of the other ridiculous examples some people have used on this blog."
WallySobchak: "I think that's the best explanation I've heard so far. But if the Sioux are offended until UND throws money at them, then they weren't really offended in the first place."
snarkattack: "Wally, that's how patent law works, too. 'If you're so upset that I used your idea, I'll throw money at you until you're not upset.' "
Several commenters spoke in support of the name Fighting Sioux.
movieguy1963: "I am having trouble understanding how this is demeaning to the Sioux. They are the Fighting Sioux with the same logo as the Chicago Blackhawks. Do you think the fans and ticketholders at UND will suddenly throw away their jerseys and memories? My father was a player on the 1959 NCAA Championship Hockey Team. He is is now 76 years old and he still wears his championship ring every day. I had the honor of being with him at a sold out ceremony for the 1959 team and the standing ovation for my dad and all his teammates was incredible! Whatever the outcome of this inane debate, my dad, his teammates and all the players who have worn the uniform will be Fighting Sioux!"
Some said we've gone too far.
1rossd: "Good for the University of North Dakota!! I'm tired of people wanting others to change something because they find it offensive. I'll bet if no one had Indian mascots, then people would be (complaining) that no one is honoring the Indian nation and they would find that offensive."
That being said, the Atlanta Braves took a few hits.
puresmokey: "I agree that too many people have become too thin-skinned, and ridiculously politically 'correct.' But in the case of Atalanta Braves fans and that moronic and offensive tomahawk chop, flush that nonsense down the toilet, please."
Ule Notknow: "Jealousy does not become you. You're an Astros fan, right?"
puresmokey: "Actually I am a Braves fan, and that chant is an embarrassment. Or it should be. I don't expect you to understand that, Ule Notknow."
Some suggested alternative mascots.
ShaneB: "Change it to the Fighting Physicists. Logo is horn-rimmed glasses. Its not like the mascot matters a whole lot, people will be behind the kids anyway."
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bloodawg: "For the record the best mascots are the fighting banana slugs of UC Santa Cruz."
norcalmojo: "And as soon as basket weaving is sanctioned as a sport, they'll get to use it."
bloodawg: "Nothing says humiliation like getting beaten by a banana slug."
Or, what about these?
henbeatsfox: "Get rid of all controversial mascots in college and pro sports. I am ready for the NFL to give us some new names like the San Francisco Vegans or the Washington Wealth Redistributors."
Some found the lighter side.
jbdpsu82: "I almost forgot the Fighting Artichoke from Scottsdale Community College and the Fighting Okra from Delta State University. Vegans unite to stop this injustice!"
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Compiled by the CNN.com moderation staff. Some comments edited for length or clarity.
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